HND Holders Threaten Court Action Over Discrimination

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 07:48:55 GMT by Kayode

Reasons why discrimination against HND in public service should be removed:
1. HND and first degree are not using the same JAMB scores to get admission.
2.HND holders must pass through PGD before Master degree.

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 07:53:17 GMT by Kayode

Reasons why discrimination against HND in public service should not be removed;
1. HND and first degree are not using the same JAMB scores to get admission.
2. HND holders must pass through PGD before Master degree.

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 08:19:49 GMT by Sincerity

I am surprised with this HND being touted to be equivalent of Degrees.
Lets look at it;
-Who thought this HND holders
-With 3 Credits you can go for Pre-in the Poly and then be strugling with how to take one credit more for OND/HND
-JAMB says with 160 points come for OND and with 200 points come for Bsc
How can they then suddenly turn around to say we are the same.
Matter of fact;many of them that went to Poly choose university first and can't just meet up with the cut-off points,and now divert to poly as second best.Though there might be about one percent of these that are good,my advise for these one percent is to go and acquire proper degree and know that poly if for technicans.
sorry about my being blunt

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 08:57:10 GMT by GEORGE

I wonder how some so called graduate with Bsc think, have they forgotten we all paticipatated in NYSC was there any discrimination? How many of them won a pprice in camp? For one to say one percent is good. Well I pity one of the so called Bsc holder to compare with HND holder of the same IQ and see the out come.

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 10:17:09 GMT by Kings

GEORGE EVERY BODY KNOWS THAT EVEN IF YOU ARE SURE THAT YOU MADE THE BSC RESULT, YOU MUST BE AMONG THE THIRD CLASS PEOPLE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IS THOSE OF YOU THAT FALL IN THAT CATEGORY THAT DO BURST AND SAY THESE RUBBISH YOU ARE SAYING IDOT

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 10:19:54 GMT by Kings

I MEAN YOU THAT CALLED HIMSELF SINCERITY AND NOT GEORGE

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 10:25:37 GMT by Izundu Odoemenah

The idea of equating Bsc to HND is calamitrous,heinous,treacheous and misnormal in educational sector,how many so called HND schools was accreditated?, polytechnics is the only school where sombody could be admitted with incomplete O'level,or even pass in English and Mathematics,is it this there 15 or 20 photocopied handout that they will use to compare BSC? What structure/personnel qualifies them? You may see upto 2500-3000 students in 1 dept in polythecnic,which is unthinkable in the university,Most of their lectures are direct product of BSc,which is not supposed to be,polythecnic is a mini market where the disadvantaged University expectant ends up,after paying #20k for admission,a big molestation to higher institution,they lectures takes as paltry as 1500 for sorting,to tell you how substandard they could be,they should forget abt this their argument,it is unfortunate for good brain that was allowed to decay there,dont call it mismanagement it is incompetency,call me at 08022199677,let me brief you more,

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 10:31:25 GMT by Izundu Odoemenah

The idea of equating Bsc to HND is calamitrous,heinous,treacheous and misnormal in educational sector,how many so called HND schools was accreditated?, polytechnics is the only school where sombody could be admitted with incomplete O'level,or even pass in English and Mathematics,is it this there 15 or 20 photocopied handout that they will use to compare BSC? What structure/personnel qualifies them? You may see upto 2500-3000 students in 1 dept in polythecnic,which is unthinkable in the university,Most of their lectures are direct product of BSc,which is not supposed to be,polythecnic is a mini market where the disadvantaged University expectant ends up,after paying #20k for admission,a big molestation to higher institution,they lectures takes as paltry as 1500 for sorting,to tell you how substandard they could be,they should forget abt this their argument,it is unfortunate for good brain that was allowed to decay there,dont call it mismanagement it is incompetency,call me at 08022199677,let me brief you more,participation in NYSC doesnt equate all,see ur HND brain point of argument,

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 10:56:41 GMT by matter

I hv pass 2ru university and polytechnic.I hv both qualifications.to be sincere I think I prefer polytechnic becos there u deal with theory and praticals.u read as if 2morrow will nt come.but in university u only deal with theories and u can easily bribe lecturers.is just nigeria mentality dat university is better than poly.outside nigeria polytechnics are better than university.

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 11:08:49 GMT by Collins

Lets fold our arms and watch how the future plays its events today. It is absolutely the beginning of the end for all ''diplomas''! Therefore, the cry to protect the beginning from ending must be protested. The last i recalled was the frequent commissioning of new private and state owned universities not diploma awarding institutions. Even some polytechnics are now universities! How are we really sure the ASUP strike is not a deliberate strategy to end this scourge called polytechnism. No matter how u all put it, the superiority of DEGREE is sacrosant. Simple!

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 12:47:05 GMT by kenix

It is so pathetic that Nigerian graduate that are yet to be leaders tomorrow are blindfolded with common degree of studies. HND is equivalent to B.Sc their shouldn't be any discrimination btw the two. As a HND graduate u have upper edge in practicals than B.Sc. Pls let their be unity in between the two classes of degree.

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 18:35:02 GMT by James M

HND graduates are the best in terms of praticals, and also they are more relaible than Bsc holders in terms of praticals, how many fresh Bsc holders, that studied Accountany or Accounting, can prepare a company's bank reconciliation statement if given to the so called Bsc holders in Accounting or Accountancy. For Nigeria to achieve it's economic success, she should focus on the practicals or technical part of education Via HND education And Also Bsc education. Whether HND or Bsc qualification, both are equal. The Nigerian federal government should wake up. China's OND or HND graduate's are Nigeria's major engineers,. Practical via HND and theoretical via Bsc education, if improved by the Nigerian federal government, is the key factor of the nations economic success. Thanks

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 20:53:14 GMT by Benzo

Hahaha! I jst c Nigerian education systm as shramp,cos if i can obtain my Msc. in Liverpool after my HND den i c no point y d so cald Bsc holders wld kip makin so mch noise wen a biochemist 4rm ABU can‘t prepare a reagent in d lab durin ma IT dys. Bsc 4 mouth sssshhh...!

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 21:53:39 GMT by me

Wen eva i read abot dis hnd & degree issue, i use t laugh. Wat u guyz nid afta graduation iz God's favour. I'm a b.eng holda but i knw a lot of pipz dat has jst trainin certificate dat are doin far far beta dan dos wit degree nor hnd. If I'm t advise, i'l ask u guyz t ask God 4 his favour & liv dis hnd & degree tinz. God bless Nigeria

Posted on Mon 12th May, 2014 21:56:53 GMT by me

Wen eva i read abot dis hnd & degree issue, i use t laugh. Wat u guyz nid afta graduation iz God's favour. I'm a b.eng holda but i knw a lot of pipz dat has jst trainin certificate dat are doin far far beta dan dos wit degree nor hnd. If I'm t advise, i'l ask u guyz t ask God 4 his favour & liv dis hnd & degree tinz. God bless Nigeria

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 05:58:09 GMT by Izundu odoemena

Go to post 7 & 8,I categorically lambasted and readdressed the HND Noise makers,uptill now,non could come up to detest or protest for it,researchj has shown that 75-80/cent of HND holders didnt opted for it,it was circumstances that lead to it,both HND and Degree were initiated by FG,they deserve the right to rate either party in accordance with thier parameters,u ppl should ask for the closure of poly institution since it is not valid than to make cheap campaign here,

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 05:59:02 GMT by Izundu odoemena

Go to post 7 & 8,I categorically lambasted and readdressed the HND Noise makers,uptill now,non could come up to detest or protest for it,researchj has shown that 75-80/cent of HND holders didnt opted for it,it was circumstances that lead to it,both HND and Degree were initiated by FG,they deserve the right to rate either party in accordance with thier parameters,u ppl should ask for the closure of poly institution since it is not valid than to make cheap campaign here,

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 06:06:18 GMT by Bamigbola Olajide Alexander

Nigeria is a country Wia inapproprites and abnormalities prevails on daily basis,
What's Nigerian Bsc? nonsense! I had HND and B.Tech in civil engineering, I can say it clearly dat kudos must be given to Polytechnics graduate bcos dey won't study bcos of theories dat had been propanded by some pple. Alone They must knw why and how those theories were derived
And how dey can be applied to their various specialties practically

AM NOT SURPRISE SEEN A 400L STUDENT OF A UNIVERSITY OF IBADAN ASKING AN ND2 POLYTECHINCS STUDENT D NAME OF A RETAINING WALL AD IT'S PURPOSE. Now tell me somebody dat cannot identify a RETAINING wall was now parading himself as supperior to those that DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED d wall. I was assamed of my country seen such pple as supperior officers in dis country.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 07:29:04 GMT by Emeka Daniels

Let's not spill for too long, let the shrugged shouldered BSC holder confidentely come and compete his/her knowledge and ideas with an HND holder, let's see what it's outcome will become. *angry*

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 07:29:36 GMT by Jeff

To kayode, sincerity n to those of u claiming to b better than hnd holders what meks u believe that u are more superoir?this discrination has been for long before d introduction cut off by jamb. Somany of d so called degree holders cnt even spell thier names correctly they r here codeming hnd. Fools

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 07:52:04 GMT by Betty

@Sincerity, u call urslf a Bsc holder and u spelt ''taught'' as 'thought''....ar u nt ashamed of ur so-called Bsc certificate? Itiboribo! I am a proud holder of HND. Thumb up 2 all fellow HND holders. Lets fight peacefully 4 our rights joor.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 08:05:15 GMT by Nonso

These so called BSc holders on this forum are big mouthed. Am a HND accounting graduate and Bsc Finance, a programme l ran concurrently because of the misleading information l had in my place of IT banking sector in 2001. But after l finish l found out that it was all a waste of the huge spending at the university. The experience in learning in the university is nothing compared to the polytechnic. Polytechnic will make u study and study but the university is just a play field with few serious guys. University graduates in from 2000 to 2012 are 0.01% first class, 70% 2.2, 10% 2.1 and 19.99% third class as compared to Polytechnic 15% Distinction, 60% upper credit, 20% lower and just 5% pass. For the records l got a 2.1 finance with the materials l got from the polytechnic meanwhile the upper credit l got from the polytechnic almost cost me my health. Observation has shown that that ICAN has more HND than BSc gradutes so is the comparism.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 08:37:35 GMT by Cynthia

I have been reading the comments and I think we should all get the facts straight. To be admitted to a Polythechnic you will need 5 credits unless it has been changed to 4 or 3 as people claim and you have only 3 subjects to take in Polytechnic entry exams while Jamb for Universities have 4. Universities have Professors as lecturers who think the students are not good enough anyway.Polytechnics have a compulsory 1year Industrial training and are more Technical oriented. In my own Opinion they should be no discrimination unless the BSC holders can prove that they are smarter which i dont believe judging by the terrible grammer being posted ...Unless there is an experiment that proves beyond reasonable doubt that they are better, they shouldn't be scared or threatened let it be equal standing and let the better man be promoted based on skills and experience not based on a sheet of paper

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 09:04:50 GMT by Adex

Lets b Sincere with ourselves here! It wil b a hard battle to fight for FG to equate Degree with HND. Im a product of both polytechnic & university. It was in d days of old dat u can say polytechnic are really doin practicals. I finished OND frm great Polytecnic of Ilaro. Throughout my OND, we were not allowed to touch computer system and i studied computer engineering.
Sincerely, der's no child born today who will tell u dat he/she wanna go to poly. "Na condition cause am". If polytecnic holders av deir way in d beginin, dey'l end up in d university. We did a lot of practicals in my almer mata (LAUTECH) and its exposed me to d technology in vogue.
Why is it dat polytechnic lecturers cant forge ahead with deir career in d polytechnic? Even poly lecturers are not helpin mata.
Before i came in tru direct entry, u can imagine a polytecnic lecturer tellin us in HND class dat if we really want to attain d most prominent but limited postion in government and in life, we av to quit our HND programme and re-apply for a degree course.
If ure a masters degree holder, ure can become even d rector of polytechnic of which ure nobody in d university.
Polytecnic is good but deir lecturers are smhow lazy in makin progress in deir career.
I myself usualy av wrong perspectiv dat students in university dont study much. it was wen i got to d system i realised dat its not so.University has broad syllabus, u'll b lectured and u'll also learn how to study urself of which in poly, lecturer usually spoon feed us. Som of us dat came into lautech frm reputable polytechnics struggled to finish wit Second class lower (dou i had brilliant result). But remove d notion dat dos in d universities dont study as much as poly. Its a big lie! Can polytecnic students accept wholeheartedly dat gov should equate NCE with HND? Do u knw wot is it to b under professors' teaching. And do u think na bread and butter to b a professor? Polytecnic lecturers' are students of professors and u wanna equate a child with his father, judge urself? if dey really want equality, den all polytecnics shld b converted to universities. May God help diz country.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 09:06:32 GMT by Cyn

BSC ... 5 CREDITS
HND ... 5 CREDITS
BSC ... 4 PAPERS (JAMB)
HND ... 3 PAPERS
BSC ... 6 MONTHS IT
HND ... 12 MONTHS IT
BSC ... 5 POINTS CGPA 70% A
HND ... 4 POINT CGPA 80% A

Mathematically, BSC holders are given 5 points for just 70 percent while HND holders are given 4 points for 80 percent.
to Unify, let admission into a Polytechnic require 4 papers in Jamb also and let the "A" mark for BSC be increased to 80 percent.
And let the competition begin......

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 09:20:18 GMT by OND, Bsc, and ACA Holder

No diff btw HND and Bsc holder, just bcos of mode of entrance and some categorise of lecturer in University, The fact is in term of having a good resource in an organisation Hnd holders are highly competence, reliable, brilliant, professionalism, excellence, self motivated and there possess ability to work under pressure even in professional exam like ACCA, ICAN and CFA there got qualified easily than Bsc holder. The fact stil remain the fact for an organisation that wish to sustain shareholde wealth maximazation objective Hnd holder is highly preferable. Am a Bsc holder but I knw much of Hnd holder contribution in Flour Mill am working with, is just bcos of Nigeria (underdevelop country) metality towards Hnd. Thank You all.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 09:41:46 GMT by stanley

Mr kayode or whatever you are called, can u really prove to the nation that JAMB today is a true test of knowledge? Have forgetten that people do find their way to make d so called jamb score you are talking about, am not surprise if bought your jamb score with some money that's why you don't really try to put your self in picture, have you forgotten that both HND and B.sc went for service together why didn't they seprate B.sc from HND in the camp? Have you forgotten that in terms of technical skills B.sc holder can never compare him self with an HND holder, it's so unfurtunate for some university graduate who manupulate their way to finish and beat their chest today that they are university graduate. Above all weather B.sc,HND or whatever it does not matter, but what comes after.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 09:47:37 GMT by Emmanuel

Plz lets b realistic,we cant compare a polytechnic to a university. Do polytechnics study medicine? Nope, do dey av teaching hospitals? Nope,dey dnt even study economics. So university cant b compared 2 polytechnics. Gbam!

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 09:51:59 GMT by qamariyya

I can't believe that degree holders are making noise about not bridging the gap.Degree holders indeed ,do you think you are better than those with HND because of your theories.In our present world ,theory doesn't speak but practical does.MCHEEWWWW I am a degree holder but i can't help but give a thumbs up for HND Holders.If you are talking about jamb scores or whatever.noby naija we dey!!! we don see many fraudulent jamb results.Pls let the gap be bridged joooorrrrr

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 09:54:45 GMT by Aweni

When are we going to stop dis discrimination. I have a HND and am proud to say dat bcos wen i finished my OND, i applied 4 a Direct Entry at FUTMinna.I met a 500 level Microbiology student who was writing her project,she ws d best student in her department. I decided to go tru her writings, I ws shockd bcos her project topic ws wat a frnd of mine used as her ND project.Most times, Polytechnic students who came in tru DE ar d best. I av so many witnesses to dis. Wen I ws in school,a graduate of UI cud nt conduct a practical 4 ND1 students in my school, wen askd y, says he never did dat all tru his 5yrs at d university. So wat ar we saying.I finished 4rm Ilaro and am proud to b a product of d school.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 11:22:53 GMT by What do you have to give any organisation you find yourself

What do u av to offer any organisation you find urself is it paper qualification or the ability to contribute towards goals and objectives of the organisation, It is in dis Nigeria (Under developed country) dat really chop only paper qualification and dat really affected our economy today compare to some foreign company who need only ur idea and talent and it really enhance dere economy. If nigeria is stil under develop graduate try to develop urself and keep abreast of wat is happening in develop countries so dat u can enhaced ur growth, nobody care mayb u ar Bsc or Hnd holder, Imagine bsc holder here making ref to medical course in d university is it all university dat offer medical course or economy, it depend on d facility available in d university 2 offer such course nt dat oda institution are very weak, I am Bsc holder but in term of brilliant Hnd holder stil remain d best forget abt d number of professor or mode of entrance or course offering and useless metality of Nigerian companies and government wat really matter is ur contribution 2 org success.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 11:37:48 GMT by Johnson

The issue of sorting is not perculiar to polytechnic education. It is common in both universities and polytechnics. I have B.SC and HND. I am telling you that polytechnic graduates perform better on the job because they have the practical experience. In banks for instance, B.SC newly employed staff at times learn the job from OND staff. Also, do not demean HND holders on the basis of admission because however they are admitted, they receive better training and experience before graduation. These the B.SC holders do not have. .................Johnson

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 11:56:58 GMT by Tobiloba

I ave some1 dat graduated from unilag and I must tell you he cant even express himself, not to talk of making a good sentence. I was so surprised dat I was forced to ask him one day how he got admission in2 d sch, it was den I learnt one of his uncle a lecturer in dat sch helped him, though he's very good looking but wit empty brain. Walahi, evn me,an HND student is far better and do correct him wit lots of things. I also ave a frend from lasu dat we graduated same year and then we wre writting our project same time. You cant beleive this lady jst paid some smeone to write the project for her while I was busy looking for materials and reading to defend the project which they don't. Fine, its really a good being a university graduate but I confessed dey really studying so hard in polythecnics. I was one of those dat doesn't really like to read much then but I had to study hard becuz I don't want all my years to be wasted.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 12:37:06 GMT by Tonelo

My der fellow naija,we ar 1,poly n univ ar dsame,stop al dis argument,dat's y wen were ar in camp,wl enter der as 1 body,bt in terms of trainin & knowledge my guy,dnt joke wit poly oh,wel sumtim,it depend on skul

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 12:53:22 GMT by adex

i av a friend dat finished with lower credit during ND and Distinction during HND. if der were no break in btw ND and HND (i mean if ND continues till HND without starting GP afresh during HND programme) so many pple will surely graduate with poor HND result. Do u think it is easy to study 4 or 5 yrs course at a stretch and come out with good result in d university? kudos to degree holders. Som pple would av pass during ND and Upper during HND.....and ure were all der bragging abt equality! Dorrrrrr!!!!!!

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 13:02:14 GMT by D last four post God bless u 4 ur contribution

From post 29 to 34 Godbless u all for ur meaningful contribution, d post 28 and oda pple dat give meaningless idea abt Bsc without tinking of d quality Hnd holder possess ar just talking of effizy stuff, as a graduate I dnt expect such statement frm u pple, just b wise and associate urself with pple dat can add value to ur life bcos ur tinking are so poor.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 13:14:02 GMT by Segxman

At adex, y ar u nt making comparisom with dose pple dat av distinction at dere ND level and came out with pass at HND level, it also apply 4 som1 dat is nt doing well in his 100 to 200 level at university dat suddenly do well at is 300l to 400l and came out wit 2:1 reason b4 u mak contribution,I am also bsc holder. Hnd pass ICAN and ACCA easilly dan we bsc holder, wat is d reason y dat occured Adex?

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 13:52:13 GMT by John

Those of you that think going to a university makes you better than those that went to poly, your thinking might be abit wrong, because you shoud know that the two institutions have seperate objectives, what i learnt in the polytechnic is far more than middle level, not just practical, but also theory and heavy calculations, im also a first class graduate from a uni in th UK, so i cantell you that youre as good as how u independently deepen your knowledge, and how willing you are to learn on the job, without respecting those with applied education nigeria will go no where tell you president. England introduced to us this poly concept and the converted all polys to unis, what is nigeria still doing , ok they are wiser than england ,its obvious in the state of nigerias economy .you lovepushing others down while most of u know nothing.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 14:05:33 GMT by paroman

Let me "chip-in" on this arguement:
EQUALITY and EQUIVALENCE?
Equality means "same".
Equivalence means you can substitute one
for the other.
So, can you "substitute"
an HND graduate (same discipline) to do the
work of a B.Sc graduate?
The answer is a big NO. I will justify that
position shortly.
As regards "equality" we can look at it/
analyse it from the perspective of "equality
of all academic processes leading to the
award of both degrees" :
1.) Instructors: Since it is the "lecturers" that
create the eventual HND/BSc degree holders
through 'teaching', l consider the "quality of
the instructors", most important, in such
scenario.
Now, in Universities, a Doctorate Degree
holder is a "junior lecturer". Most
substantive lecturers are either long-term
PhD holders or Professors.
In a Polytechnic, most lecturers are Masters
degree holders, the very few PhD holders
amongst them are either Rectors or
Departmental Heads. Professors are very
very rare, if you would find one at all!
So, in terms of quality of lecturers, Polys are
way behind and are not equal to
Universities and therefore CANNOT BE
EQUIVALENT!
2.) Infrastructures: You need "physical
structures" to create a conducive learning
environment for optimum learning. I wont
say much on this, just go around our
"major" Universities and Polys and you
would not waste time to conclude that the
"product of such environments" can ever be
equal nor equivalent.
3.) Curriculum design: This is another very
important difference between Universities
and Polys.
For a "complete product life-cycle", you need
DESIGNERS AND MANUFACTURERS.
These two stages of a product are
completely different.
Uni graduates are geared/trained for
"design" purposes while Poly graduates are
geared for manufacturing purposes and this
is reflected in their curriculum. I will give at
least two examples to buttress this.
Take a vehicle for example. Most University
"Engineering" lecturers cannot even service
their own vehicle (they take them to
artisans/mechanics! ). Why is this? The
reason is that their training is based on
"Design concept". It is theoretically based for
"research and development" .... all
theoretical!
Practical experience is limited but this is
deliberate and "advancement in science" is
based squarely on research, which is what a
University graduate is trained for.
A Poly graduate of the same field on the
other hand, is trained for "manufacture" of
the product designed by his University
counterpart. He is very much "practical
oriented" and does the "dirty job"! Where
and while his University counterpart cannot
"convert research" into "real life product", he
is able to bring such design concept to life
through "physical actions".
He can go under the hood and repair that
same vehicle his Uni counterpart cannot
repair .... but he cant design the same vehicle
or improve on the design, to produce newer
and more efficient model, like his Uni
counterpart can easily do.
But at the end of the day, both Uni
Graduates and Poly graduates are
(supposed to be) doing a COMPLEMENTARY
ROLE in the business environment.
Another example is that of the building
occupation.
A University trained Architect will design a
building or project but he does not
necessarily need to know how to hold a
spade or trowel.
His emphasis is on structural stability,
aesthetics, functionality, wind tunnel-testing
and adjustment, e.t.c.
Having done his design on paper, he passes
the work unto his Poly counterpart.
His Poly mate will now take that "paper
design" and make a "real building" out of it
by bringing blocks, mortars and iron into a
combination that springs-up a building. A
Poly graduate cant actually do the design
and where he attempts it, it is always very
poor.
Now, l guess l wont be the only one who
had noticed the difference in "finesse"
between a Poly graduate and a University
graduate?
It is because you cant expect someone who
was trained with "practical" in mind, to be
equivalent or the same as someone who
was trained with "theory" in mind.
Even their spoken English would easily give
them out as l have had reason over the
years to interview both graduates at various
levels of employment and l can tell you,
spoken English is the first thing that gives
them out.
I appreciate both of them and will never
substitute a University graduate (no matter
how good he thinks he is) for jobs/
positions that l know are best suited for a
Poly graduate ... and vice versa.
Their roles are COMPLEMENTARY, not equal
and not equivalent.
Lastpage!
Caveat: I hold multiple higher-level degrees
from "University" but l try not to be biased.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 14:12:22 GMT by ANONYMOUS

Glory be to Allmighty, HND or BSC, it is personal competence and capability that matters . For example the Allmighty Firstbank MD is an HND holder but his bank is among the first five in the country, if care is not taken he will be the next central bank governor of this great nation.
I am an HND holder and very proud of it. Even if I have opportunity of second life I will do HND. I work in a bank and i enjoy my work

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 14:12:56 GMT by Peter

Good idea john, u make a valid contribution, som of our bsc graduate does nt knw wat is going on in a develop country den really on dere Bsc certificate, Nigerian poverty has turn den to somting else without den b able 2 diff btw education and knowledge, hw many of den are employed even dose dat ar employ ar nt well pald. Nigerian graduate BE WISE talk abt hw our economy wil b ok nt paper qualification

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 14:19:33 GMT by Mimi

At paroman is either professor teach u or nt dat does nt determin d level of ur competence, u ar d one dat wil groom urself and contribute 2 any org u find urself nt paper qualification.

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 14:44:37 GMT by paroman

@Mimi, are you saying the knowledge acquire while learning from a professor is same as that acquired while learning from an Msc. Holder? If you had a son who is about to write his WAEC and you feel he needs a personal tutor. If you have the option of choosing between an NCE holder and an MSC holder, which would you rather choose? Hope you understand my analogy here?

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 14:54:44 GMT by Mimi

At paroma, NCE is an undergraduate programm while Msc is a post graduate programm, so u dnt need 2 compare dere self with each oda, both Hnd and Bsc are undergraduate progamm I work in Hr department at nestle, we dnt discriminate btw paper qualification, but we discriminate on ur ability to add value 2 org whic mean hw competent u ar, i am a bsc holder also, paromal if u av a coy, whic 1 wil u prefer 2 employ, som 1 with a very sound knwlodge and experience or som1 with empty barrie and paper quailification?

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 14:59:15 GMT by KING AD

wat a debate,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i cal ma oga at d ofice said BSC IS nt neded here y bcox as a BSC PHYSICS can not point a diode,,,

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 15:15:03 GMT by paroman

Mimi, your comment further buttresses my point. Since you believe M.sc and Nce are not comparable then while are you disputing the difference in impact of knowledge a professor will add to a University undergraduate compared to what an Msc holder will have on diploma students?

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 15:22:48 GMT by Izundu vincent

Pls BSc holders,let remain calm,as you can see the learned HND are more in population as they used to get addmission in thier classical envrionment,poor/average lecturer,substandard equipment,unaccreditated discipline,mushrum satelite campuses,20-30 pages photocopied handouts,incomplete Olevel gaining of addmission,acceptance of passes in english and maths for addmission,where will i start,u cant get a good teeth in a rotten mouth,in thier mind now,they are leading,why wont you get populated comments from them?

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 15:24:01 GMT by Izundu vincent

Pls BSc holders,let remain calm,as you can see the learned HND are more in population as they used to get addmission in thier classical envrionment,poor/average lecturer,substandard equipment,unaccreditated discipline,mushrum satelite campuses,20-30 pages photocopied handouts,incomplete Olevel gaining of addmission,acceptance of passes in english and maths for addmission,where will i start,u cant get a good teeth in a rotten mouth,in thier mind now,they are leading,why wont you get populated comments from them?

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 15:24:24 GMT by paroman

Typos.........*you acquire, have a son*

Posted on Tue 13th May, 2014 15:26:03 GMT by Emma

One question I will like to ask is, why the creation of Polytechnic when Federal Government know its holders would be demeaned among BSC holders? In of Practical HND Holders are far better than BSC holders...go to multinational Companies in Nigeria and confirm. In terms of exposure in work places, HND holders are far better because of their one year IT experience. During my Master programme, most of those caught with Exam malpractises are so called BSC holder. In fact I carried one of them one day while traveling towards whose grammar were full of errors e.g This road was WORSTER than this before. Please LET exam be the judge in public offices. Conduct exams to adjudge competence. Thanks